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Anyone getting desktop freezing with Zen, updates should be coming soon to fix it.
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Freezing? It runs too hot. On a serious note no issues yet.
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That's good, it seems to be a small number overall.
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@Avarice what's the performance like? I've yet to actually see any testing outside of LinusBaitTips and I refuse to click on it.
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There's tons of info out now from other sources that arnt "money bags mc fan boy".
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Overall, it's solid a f. Close to intels top for gaming, worse in some cases, better in others. End note is, either option is solid.
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If it's close to top-end it makes me seriously consider going red.
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I have no complaints I don't care if it performs 3-5% below Intels top CPU it was half the price of their top cpu and has double the core/thread count of their current top i7
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@Avarice what are you running - like full build if you don't mind sharing?
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Ryzen 1700X, Asus Prime X370 pro, 32gb of DDR4 3200, 2 EVGA GTX 1070 ACX and an assortment of SSD's/HDD's
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oh nice - what led you to choose Ryzen and the 1700X and what sort of tasks do you perform on it. I am tossing up between i7 7700k or Ryzen 1700 - I looked at early benchmarks for PS and LR and most things tests are faster on the i7 (but a lot where individual tasts), but interested in hearing peoples thoughts actual experiences though. Do you use those products at all and what did you upgrade from?
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I would go 1700 or 7700k, X370 or Z270 (probably Asus), 32 or 64 GB RAM (undecided how much, might start with 32) and a single 1080ti
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He plays GTA V, may read some emails.... Also since when did you need a decent CPU for Potatoshop?
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Since I work with massive HDR Panoramas and I am not just using PS, I am running Lightroom, possibly some other programs like photo mechanic or 3rd party plugins and a bunch of chrome tabs are almost always open. When you have those big files and you want to run filters or paint in a mask or something it can slow right down - brush lag when retouching/masking or digital painting is really annoying and makes your life difficult.
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plus I play games too
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Whats you current setup?
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Most of the art machines at ANU across the road from work are hexacore intels with 12GB DDR4 and all SSD drives, plus i think the rendering guys use nVidia Quadro's.
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2600k OC to 4.6, 16GB 2133 DDR3, GTX980, P8P67 Delux, Sata SSD system. The other reason why I want a new setup is m.2 pcie NVme drives, want 2 - 1 as a system drive and a second small fast one as a scratch/VM drive.
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I fill my RAM pretty often when working with large panos - also if I have too many chrome tabs running and play games or do anything else resource intensive.
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Ideally for PS you want you app on an SSD, you scratch on a seperate SSD and your work on a different drive as well... lots of SSDs
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Just as a note, running multiple drive types can cause weird bottlenecks sometimes unless you force windows to ONLY use your primary SSD for Virtual memory. That will reduce the pain that happens when you get ram fills etc.
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tell windows to only use the one your OS is on, generally that will smooth the transition from data in ramspace to Virtual Memory so you should get less jerkyness when it happens, mind you some faster ram and an extra core or 2 would not hurt
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I have 2 - 1TB Samsung SATA SSDs - I plan on getting say a 500GB (or 1TB if I can swing it) m2 NVMe (probably 960 evo) system drive and a 120 or 250 m2 NVMe second drive for scratch (possible corsairs new fast beast). 1 of the SATA SSDs will be for work stuff/photos the other for games. And will have ordinary HDD for data storage/completed stuff.
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Dont forget the 2600K is only a QuadCore with HT so even a 6 core Ryzen will be a good upgrade. And the fast DDR4 should help.
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thinking 32GB of 3200 ram (might up it to 64 later) - but not sure on 7700k or 1700 - pretty much all individual tasks are faster on 7700k but you don't always just do one thing at a time.
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The programs you use are fully 64bit multithreaded so with the way windows handles HT you NEED more real physical cores. By all means got for the full 8 core Ryzen. Sure intels single task ops are faster, but from what you have been telling me thats not what you need. Also, half the price.
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Which ever way you go i would suggest disabling HyperThreading (or the AMD eqivelent whatever they are calling it) so you dont get overlapping tasks trying to timeshare a single core
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basically cause windows cant see that the virtual cores created by HT are NOT physical cores you can get some weird problems when doing multi-thread intensive tasks
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Same here for lightroom
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Wait - if you disable the HT, wont you just be say using a 2500k - what's the point of having HT if windows or other programs won't know the difference?
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HT timeshares a virtual core with a real physical one, so if you have a 6 core intel windows thinks its a 12 core, but its not. you turn HT off windows sees only the physical cores. 90% of the time HT is fine, its that 10% when a program runs a thread doing the same thing on cores 1 and 2 and you end up with the thread thats supposed to speed up the process slowing it down instead cause one core is doing the thing but tring to do 2 cores worth of work. its...complicated and my explination is prolly not great.
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anyway, looking at those benchmarks i personally would go ryzen and overclock it (AMD's always OC easier than intels in my experience)
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Continuing my HT explaination: Say you have tasks running on both PS and LR. its all good if windows assigns the cores like this: Core1: LR | Core1HT: PS | Core2: LR | Core2HT: PS This is fine, Shit goes south when this happens: Core1: PS | Core1HT: PS | Core2: LR | Core2HT: LR
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yeh you confused the fk out of me. Now I really dunno what to do. I was going to go i7 7700k because the Z270 boards typically have 2 x m2 ports instead of 1 on the amd boards and the 7700k OC to 4.9 or 5ish pretty easily where as apparently Ryzen is able to go up to about 4 max and the 1700 can apparently be clocked to the 1800X performance pretty easily.
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If it is working 90% of the time wouldn't it be worth running for a bit of shitty performance 10% of the time?
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yeah normally, but the more high-level multi-thread tasks you run the more likely it is to happen. Any run with HT/AMD HT on and if you get problems turn it off. you prolly wont notice much if all performance difference (though from experiance when overclocking hard you ALWAYS turn HT off, but thats only if your adding more than 500mhz to the clockspeed)
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It just seems like PS and LR both aren't well optimised to utilise the higher core counts. When editing a single photo I want it to be able to render previews fast as I make adjustments, and move between images quickly. It's only when I am batch processing files that I would be running multiple applications at the one time (by running I mean having them actually doing things - like I might be exporting or importing in LR while fkn around with a photo in PS.
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another reason to turn HT off so the poor program isnt seeing 16 cores when really theres only 8 cores worth of performance. Im known to be a HT cynic so maybe get someone else to weigh in on this. Basically my experience with HT is my server running dual quad core xeon cpus with HT. which makes HyperV have a really bad day.
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anyway in the end you cant really go wrong with either the intel or AMD options. you may pay less for the amd but your chosen mobo has one less M2 slot....Where as the intel version of the mobo has one more M2 than the AMD but your forking out more cash for the privelage
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I have my 2600k running at 4.6 - it seems stable and running alright with HT on... though intel speed step/efficiency slow down clock when idol thing seems to cause more issues - atleast if I am looking at it on CPUZ
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SPEEDSTEP IS CANCER WHEN OVERCLOCKING
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yeah - i turned it off for quite a while, but turned in back on a little while ago because it was heating up my room a lot - I dunno if it made any difference to temperature in the room or power usage.
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depends on your cooling setup, if you have a nice vent-to-outside like a closed-loop water system then yeah you will warm the room up with Speedstep turned off cause the CPU is actually running at the speed to you told it too, not at half speed cause fuck you thats why. powerwise, negligable, your atcually cpu usage is what eats that not the speed its idle at
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If you have a Vent-to-Case like a stock cooler or heatsink+fan type then it will make less difference to your room but your case inside will heat up more and thus all your other hardware will be affected
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its all about that airflow
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Have a large intake fan in front of hard disks and corsair h110i exhausting out the top, GTX980 out the back. hmm I have just read some stuff and now am even more confused about what to do... garr
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Apparently Lr hardly ever uses multi threads/cores - and that is where I spend most of my time, but I also do work on some big files in photoshop. I think I will only need 1 bigger m.2 drive - apparently if it's quick putting your scratch drive on there is fine as long as you have the space - then have your work on another drive - so work on one of SATA SSDs - (boot, scratch, apps, catelogues on fast m.2 drive), games on other SSD. min 32GB ram. But still can't work out if Ryzen is worth it...
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