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Hey guys, since it looks like @Vash has lost interest immediately after asking, @Mummeboy is still open to making casual missions for us over here at The LANBox to play every now and then; if there's any interest please let me know.
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No I lost interest in the shitposting that's become the norm and decided to take this direct via steam.
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Noted.
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im down for that sickness.
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I usually prefer to discuss this point in the confines of steam but let's bring it in the open given it's current relevance.

@Vash, no one else's threads for running things get garbage posted on them. The number of threads with shitposting on them is actually negligible with most of what comes out of this site being constructive and enjoyable since the start of the year.

From this I can only conclude that there's a disconnect between everyone else's interactions and their interactions with you. There's only a handful of members that are repeat magnets for drama. Having spoken a lot with @Prophecy about it I am sure he won't mind me saying that he was one until recently, the other is you.
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I've expended a lot of effort trying to manage personality clashes for many years and I've decided recently that it isn't always my problem. I get that your interactions with others here are more often negative than positive but that isn't the norm and I don't really have any power to change anyone's personality on both sides of those interactions.
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So what I'm hearing is that I'm the one that causes the conflict. What I'll agree with is I'm the kind of person who will push back when someone gives me shit. I'm not one to let things slide by very often. With that being said, I fail to see how posting a thread to attempt to gather some community involvement derailing is my fault. Sure, the common theme is that it's on my threads, but I fail to see how it's my fault.
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Fault isn't really where I'm trying to head with this, but I don't think there is ever a negative interaction with you where you think you are at fault whether you are or not. Accusations of being wrong or at fault almost always result in more push and not give. The end result is the relationships built are negative in both directions and never constructive.
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My new outlook is that what I should be doing is making sure this sort of stuff stays out of the way of my goals whereas in the past it was more about maintaining the appearance of civility. The latter just meant I was getting nowhere and there were not lines drawn.
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Idealy what we need to see here is those who are not say, of compatible personalities, controlling themselves and not posting "shitposts" and controlling themselves when it comes to passive-aggressive and subtle (or not so subtle) jabs at people.

I'm seeing a fair amount of this over the last few months and it'd be nice to see people acting like actual people.
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So to bring it back to relevance of your post, you posted about a subject where the most active people on that subject are one's you have a non-constructive relationship with and got non-constructive input. From the outside it was entirely expected but not for the reasons you were suggesting.
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I feel like saying it should be expected is saying it is OK. The post was targeting those who would like to do something super casual outside of the normal groups afterall.
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@crazymuffins I don't really think that is the answer. Restraint isn't going to change any relationship because it results in no interaction. The only thing that is going to change it is to actually act in a constructive way. No action means no change, positive action will result in change.
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@crazymuffins we need to draw some analogies here. Lets say @Vash walked into a room with me, you, @Prophecy, @Walshy and @Mummeboy in it and said "hey I want to run some arma". Given the relationship here I'd probably say I'm not interested, you'd indicate you're maybe interested in some casual and the other three are probably going to have some sly bollocks to say. Whether it is right or wrong is irrelevant, what is relevant is that the responses are all matching the relationships each person has with @Vash.
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So yes, both sides either give a shit or don't. Either way my objective is to make sure it stays out of the way of my goals, not whether it is right or wrong. Getting involved in right or wrong is why I've been ineffective.
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Whilst I see what you're saying I disagree on principal. You can't say "yes he's being a cunt, but that's expected." "Oh, he was an alcoholic with a violent streak, it's kinda expected he beat his wife to death". I can agree it's what we can expect but that doesn't mean it's something we should condone or pass off as "well, this is typical of your interactions". That's a freaking massive step back from running a community.
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You're introducing massive amounts of grey into what should be black and white.
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Yes, you're right it can't be condoned. Which is why I have been deleting pretty much all threads that are complete shit. To call you out on your analogy here, you've gone from some minor bullshittery on an internet forum to murder and domestic violence. If you have a legitimate issue with what they're doing to the point you think it is illegal then contact the police. My responsibility here is to ensure bullshit doesn't get in the way of me reaching goals.
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It was used to portray a point and you know that.
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Yes, but the example was so far from what we're talking about here that it is almost irrelevant. To says some shit interactions between people who don't get along are the same as escalating it to murder is not really acknowledging the point I am trying to make.
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The TL;DR is, I not longer give a shit who is on what end of what. If the dispute gets in my way it goes.
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And just quickly, to say something is expected is not to say I condone it. I just see what I see and rationalise it the best I can.
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Umm didn't @Vash just suggest something among ARMA players and in return got just bullshittery? @blaknite shouldn't we encourage people with new activities among members, not let them cope shit? Yes, there's established relationships among members, that doesn't warrant pure bullshit responses. This nastiness among members is why we don't keep anyone, and @blaknite if you no longer have the energy to get shit about relationships, please promote more people who can. Its no secret that members are staying away now, an agenda to stay away from all disputes is encouraging members to act out their worse.
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"Please promote more people who can", that's a good one.
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The thing is (and heres my 0.005 cents) is that we where never against the idea of the server, we just poked some fun at it, because we have experience with arma servers and this community (also furcas tried to run an antistasi before and it got old rather fast) hell @Mummeboy even offered an alternative, but fuck that, lets delete the thread and halt all conversation on that fact. also for a matter of fact, and its not even like @blaknite deleted it, @Vash did because you seemed to dislike the fact that some minor jokes where made.
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I've fostered some successful and surprisingly stress free relationships and events recently which has been fantastic @Sparks. My take away from that is my time and energy is better spent on keeping the good than trying to fix the bad. I am struggling to see why I should be trying to mend and fix a "friendship" group that aren't actually friends. So no, it's not that I don't care about relationships, it's that I don't care about living a real life Groundhog Day. I've struggled to properly engage the members that are staying away for a long time, bringing them back only to have them rekindle bad blood isn't moving forward or fun. That lack of engagement also comes down to me playing different things than some members care to and they get bored, shitty and worse.
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It's almost like we're people and should largely be left to our own devices until we start directly impacting what @blaknite wants for the site and community instead of having our relationships with other members micromanaged.
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so yes, if this place and me aren't what people want, that's cool. People come, people go. If people stay they need to do it with the intention to be just as aware of how they act as others act towards them.
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yes but whenever we get left to our own devices, we all act like massive cunts to each other.
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@blaknite which is where an idea for hosting something other than your tastes came into it. It's something @crazymuffins and I, and even @Walshy have tried to do. The problem is that when it's anyone other than you it turns to shit for various reasons, as shown today. We're not saying you need to babysit the "friendships" just the LANBox threads. I'm not suggesting you micromanage relationships - but rather when an attempt for some community involvement gets derailed you take the initiative to get it back on track, like @crazymuffins attempted but was ignored.
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^ This, it's almost like the ones agreeing with "leave it as is" are the ones being cunts to others...
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So you're quite happy to sign up for a system where your relationships with other members is going to be micromanaged then @crazymuffins?
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I'm not suggesting you micromanage relationships - but rather when an attempt for some community involvement gets derailed you take the initiative to get it back on track, like @crazymuffins attempted but was ignored.
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the problem is that to manage the threads I need to manage the relationships because both sides get shitty in equal parts when something gets deleted.
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No, but i would be happy if you and a select few others would control your own desire to be shit posting constantly and leaving comments and remakrs designed to get a rise and nother more.
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Are you happy to go back to the way where you were hated, and no one gave you any respect @Prophecy ?
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Isn't it Ironic how the one guy who used to spend his nights crying to @blaknite about being singled out is now the one trying to cause shit?
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So if you want to be left to your own devices because you are all grown up then bloody well start acting like it.
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Jesus Christ, and you guys complain about me shit posting.
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@Vash Shut it, dont be snarky. this is exactly what we're discussing
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this is quickly going ad hominem so let's bring it back on track.
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^ THIS IS ALL WE NEED.
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The point is, after reading and discussing this the end result was, a few people went ape shit and then vash gets blamed for trying.
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Those responsible are happy with te current system because they can start nark with anyone, me included and get away with it.

Micro isnt needed here, some clear "Stop it" is.
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@Mini_Jebus You're right, but I'm beyond the point of caring. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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And thats the wrong attitude to have @Vash
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@Vash but that's the attitude too many people take, everyone has to come in line else it doesnt work.
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if that is really how you see this @crazymuffins we have bigger problems. If I'm honest I want to start fresh and fuck half of you right off. But hey I have to be the professional.
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We're here saying that people need to act like the adults we are so doing that undermines it.
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@blaknite can you be both the professional and the bystander tho?
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I just can't understand how childish and directed so many of these things end up.
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"Act like adults", you mean kinda like having the ability to sort out your own differences with people instead of needing their actions managed by someone else?
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Again, I'm not talking about your actions being managed - just the threads involving community events and involvement. Go shit-post on random threads but keep the attempts at doing stuff clear of the bullshit.
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You are the one that constantly acts like a child prophecy, this is the issue. You act one way and demand everyone else acts the same, when it's mentioned you deny or ignore that whole side and the just become a snarky pain.
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As i said @Prophecy Last time that happened, everyone hated you. Thanks to @blaknite mediating it, We managed to work things out. I believe we need some semblance of responsibility and respect
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Otherwise, how else can you expaline someone trying to get a few of us to do something, only to blow it off the rails with shitposting and shit?
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@crazymuffins Yes, but it doesnt help that everyone just treats him like shit in the first place.
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@Mini_Jebus Treat others how you want to be treated, time and time again i and others TRY, only to be presented with continued snark and sarcasm on a constant rotation.
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Scenario A: "lol splitters etc"

Scenario B: "Well we tried this before and it didn't really work. Good luck with it, but I'm not really interested myself"

Which one here do you think would insight thought and constructive betterment and which results in the kind of shit fuckery such as tonight?
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@Mini_Jebus , @blaknite mediating it is, to my knowledge, the current system; it got to the point where it needed to be managed and it was.
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Furthering @crazymuffins comment: thus we return the snark? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Again @Vash Shut it
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I'd be happy to not be pissed at certain people, but times like this makes that hard. The goal isnt to have some one micromanage interactions, it's to have me, you and the rest be at least CIVIL. Don't be friends.

Hell, if you don't want to say a nice thing, don't post on that shout.
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@Mini_Jebus I'm actually siding with you on that comment but sure thing buddy I'll be over here in my corner, because I'm totally not trying to have an actual conversation about it.
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This is the part that i can't understand, why is it so hard to simply NOT engage when the intention is to be an arse? Just leave it alone, do something else...
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Havnt i already said, and its been mentioned alot. Enough with the snarkyness @Vash
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@Vash I think mini is implying that the reply from prophecy just then wasnt snarky. I agree, it didnt seem to be that time.
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I wasn't replying to that comment tho O_O
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Conversations moving quick, keep up ol cheese.
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Which is why I included context?
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Overall I'm pretty sure my entire involvement in that thread was one shitpost, one spelling mistake and one legitimate post, after that it was muted and I continued on with my day.
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The general summery of what i want to drive in to you lot and even myself. Can we STOP the shit posting, STOP the snarky commenting and just be civil or ignore those you can't be civil with.
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Guess not.
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Walshy, that is EXACTLY what we mean.
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@Walshy This is the sort of thing we mean
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To further what muffins said, when you have everyone being cunts to each other, nothing will improve. it's a two way street and people need to realise it requires action from both sides. We all need to treat each other better. You all act snarky and get pissed when someone does it back. And i do the exact same. we all do
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Sorry @Prophecy for focusing it on you, i feel you take part quite a lot in these issues but far from the only one. I have no intention if painting you as the only person.
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This shitposting is the exact thing we're discussing
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Again, this is the exact issue. @Mummeboy @Walshy Derailing and treating everything like a joke posting memes and shit. That's one of the biggest parts of all this.
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Derailing?
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this is an arma thread last i checked?
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I believe people need to realise that on the other end of the discord channel/thread are people too. If someones being rude or a pain to you, chances are, you're being one too. Its a two way street
And as @crazymuffins said it tends to be the same people who keep starting shit and it's evident who. while most people can control themselves and may act snarky occasionally, there are the few that have been ruining it for the rest of us, and acting childish and immature, and i believe we need to be harsher on them.
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And you can clearly see the discussion has moved to a big topic.
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Well I'll say this much, it needs to improve. However, we get there I don't really care but if we don't get there soon I'll be taking a break again. Probably a longer, most likely permanent one this time.
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well then shouldnt the discussion move to its on thread, rather than derailing an arma thread.
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@Walshy You're purposefully trying to start shit. Stop.
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In a way @Walshy Yes it should have, however there is a large amount of context here. And no doubt it'll all be cleared off to clean soon anyway.
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New arma updates inbound soon (try to stay on topic please)
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Once me and the few of us stop ranting
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@Walshy That's still pretty passive-aggressive tho.
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Again, You're trying to start shit. That link is clearly snarky and passive agressive
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i know right, they want to charge like 50 bucks for some new planes and shit.
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/ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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This is why blak wants to go fuck it and cut half of us out. We tell you to stop, and you keep going trying to turn it into a joke
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Wait is there another high price DLC ?
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It's like some people just don't want to have a serious conversation.
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I thought the last one was pretty high imo
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I have better things to do than feed @Walshy. o/
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Honestly for the amount of work being put in to these DLC I think it's a fair price.
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Well no, its like 25 bucks for the season 2 DLC, but nothing huge like the Tanoa expansion.
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This argument is starting to loop into who said what so i'm going to dump my opinion here. I know I'm not in any position to say anything for moderation purposes, but I feel like some outside perspective might help. We are all adults here, and what I'm getting from what blaknite is saying is that he doesn't want to have to babysit everyone. We are all capable of ignoring comments, but it this is a social media, no matter what it's public. At the end of the day, we all have the responsibility of the content we post, and how it affect others, even if it's a shitty post or a response to it.
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Was Tanoa actually worth it?
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Hell yes, very good map, great content.
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could've added more for the 35 dollar price tag though
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Wasnt Tanoa like 45+ AUD?
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35 dollars USD
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It's pricey when converted. THe island itself i guess would be a lot of work. Much else besides the island though>?
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a few vehicles and weapons, nothing like operation arrowhead.
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@Furcas that is what I am trying to say. Thank you.
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I only had OA for DayZ. I'm dirty like that.
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The stuff that was released for free along with the expansion is probably the biggest thing, I kinda saw buying Apex as paying for the island/vehicles/maps and keeping to the honour system when being given game upgrades for free.
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The issue with the resolutions people keep asking me for is that one person's "cunt" is another person's "joke" and yet another person's "I was trying to offer a fact but you're an abstinent ass". No matter which way it goes you want someone to blame and there isn't any one person. You're all to blame for the relationships you've built.
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Exactly what i'm saying. It's a two way street, and chances are if someone is acting like an ass, so are you.
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Feels a bit generalised but.... We might as well either move this to the forum topic or give up.
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Maybe it is but I can't pick a bad thread with these participants that hasn't revolved around a disagreement about those three things.
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Tagged: Vashed.
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sounds like you all need a mod here - tanoa was trash and the only DLC worth paying for was go-karts.
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demodded FireJesus
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you can demod, but you can NEVER degod.
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FIREJESUS FOR GOD 2K17
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